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Robert Brunner is a founder of Ammunition, a design firm based in San Francisco. He has designed products from the Apple PowerBook to Beats by Dre headphones.

I don’t care if the client hates something. In fact, it’s a good thing if there’s something on the wall they really hate, because that’s telling me something. Robert Brunner on the value of negative feedback

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