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Billie Tsien is the co-founder of Tod Williams Billie Tsien architects, which works on buildings for museums, universities, and the Obama Presidential Center.

Designers try to control everything. But you don’t actually ever get there. And probably it’s good that you never get there. Billie Tsien on the quest for perfection

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